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# RE: Ballot Receipt Printer NOW required in California

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- Subject: RE: Ballot Receipt Printer NOW required in California
- From: "Ken Clark" <ken@dieboldes.com>
- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:49:43 -0800
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Most everyone of this bent is advocating paper ballots. That was the whole crux of the post-2002 Florida study and the MIT/Caltech study. And yes, adding a paper receipt to a DRE system totally defeats its purpose. Another case of worst-of-all-worlds. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-support@dieboldes.com [mailto:owner-support@dieboldes.com] On Behalf Of Don Biszmaier Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:13 PM To: support@dieboldes.com Subject: Re: Ballot Receipt Printer NOW required in California Is he advocating using a paper ballot to start with? Seems to kind of defeat the purpose of the DRE to start with. Donald W. Biszmaier Support Services Specialist Diebold Election Systems, Inc. 7717 Greenwood Rd. Louisville, Ky. 40258 Office 502-244-8645 Cell 502-314-6936 Fax 502-254-7835 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Clark To: support@dieboldes.com Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: RE: Ballot Receipt Printer NOW required in California I came across Dr. David Dill while reading some of Paranoid Bev’s scribbling. Steve, I assume you have met this guy since he appears to be involved with Santa Clara. The key paragraph from his manifesto reads: · Touch screen machines that print paper ballots. Such systems would have many of the advantages of DRE machines, including potentially improved accessibility for voters with disabilities. There is at least one such machine that is certified in several states, and we hope that all vendors of existing DRE machines could provide an option to add ballot printers (DRE voting machines in Brazil have been retrofitted with ballot printers, for example). The paper ballots must be submitted by the voters, to be available for counting or recounting and to avoid vote-selling. The votes on the paper ballots must be regarded as the definitive legal votes, taking precedence over electronic records or counts. This doesn’t tell us much about how exactly he envisions the system working though. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-support@dieboldes.com [mailto:owner-support@dieboldes.com] On Behalf Of Green, Pat Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 4:46 AM To: 'support@dieboldes.com' Subject: RE: Ballot Receipt Printer NOW required in California Steve, Thanks for the heads up. We have had quite a few discussions about how we would do this, but as you noted, the solution will vary greatly depending on the answers to your questions (Allowed to touch it? Allowed to see it? Required to see it? Etc). Keep us informed and feel free to call me if you want to discuss it. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Steve Knecht [mailto:skglobal@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:03 PM To: support@dieboldes.com Subject: Ballot Receipt Printer NOW required in California The new Secretary of State just announced that he supports touch screen vendors being required to print a receipt. This has major implications for our new unit. He is only convening a task force at this point, so we don't know the answers to questions like: We don't know whether the voter would be allowed to touch the receipt. We dont' know whether the voter will be allowed to see the receipt. If voters know that a printed receipt is there, I believe there will be demand to see it. I am suggesting that R7 development and design folks begin having some discussions on various scenarios of a printed ballot receipt and how we could "hide" the receipt from the voter if necessary or keep them from touching if it comes to that. Clearly, we can't begin design on anything until we know the parameters. On the other hand, we will be asked for input, and we should have some well conceived input, vs. myself or frank or deborah speaking for development. Yes, another bad idea, brought to you by our elected politicians. SteveK

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